In this episode, Jon and Bryan talk to Roseville, Ca visual brand designer, Dan Otis, about our next monster: Stakeholder. These hulky stake-holding monsters can be terrifying—and like a lot of our monsters—they're misunderstood. Join us as Dan shares about his time spent with a wide variety of stakeholders as clients, co-workers, and most importantly, those who experience or use the things we design. We also talk about the horror movies that wrecked us when we were kids, why Bryan has a bone to pick with wasps, and what the incredible Oura biometric ring has to offer.

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