In this episode, Jon and Bryan talk to San Diego brand design manager, Emily Hsiao, about our fourth monster: Burnout. This dude is a hot mess, burning us out and chucking fireballs at others, burning them out along with us. Emily opens our eyes to all the useful firefighting tools she wields against this monster. Additionally, Bryan goes into some "spoilers" about Loki, he shares his love for beavers, and we all get into a discussion about octopi vs octopuses.

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